Trump: I Get Along With ‘Tougher and Meaner’ Leaders


President Donald Trump told Bob Woodward, during interviews for his book “Rage,” that he gets along better with the “tougher and meaner” world leaders such as Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan rather than the “easy” heads of state.

“I get along very well with Erdogan, even though you’re not supposed to,” Trump is heard saying on an audio clip played on NBC’s “Today” Monday. “But for me, it works out good. I can tell you the relationships I have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better I get along with them. You’ll explain that to me someday. Maybe it’s not a bad thing. The easy ones I don’t like as much or don’t get along with as much.”

“As you know, under the constitution the president controls foreign relations unilaterally,” Woodward told “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie. “He has decided, oh. I’m going to get along with Putin. The crown prince of Saudi Arabia. I’m going to try to get along with Kim Jong-un, the leader of North Korea. But he just smears South Korea time and time again in my interviews.”

Woodward also said that Trump was willing to open up to him because he didn’t like “Fear,” the journalist’s first book about him.

“He regretted not talking to me and he opened himself up,” said Woodward. “There will be audio showing how he liked my questions. We spent all that time together exploring the inner Donald Trump, his motivation, his actions, how he assessed the world.”

Woodward added that the microphone became a microscope into how Trump sees things.

“When you hear it, there is a tone,” he said. “There is an exuberance. There is an alarm.”

Woodward recorded 9 hours of audio interviews with the president and said at this point, he is releasing all that are “relevant, as people ask for them. It’s quite an archive.”


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